Jean and I made an agreement that we would have two offices, one in New York and one in Los Angeles, and we would trade places every three months. That way, the people we talked to would not tire of either one of us. This went on for fifteen years, until 1960. We saw each other very infrequently, mostly meeting at the Ambassador East Hotel in Chicago for a couple of days. We worked extremely well together because each of us knew everything about the business. We talked on the telephone practically every day and kept each other posted on what we were doing, but we worked independently. After "A Bouquet of Roses," we branched out into the pop field. At that time, we went on a shopping spree and bought Saintly Joy, American Music, Forest Music, Raven Music, and a few other companies. We also organized our foreign business.

We were already among the most important music publishers in the world. Our foreign business consisted of companies that were completely owned by us. We also owned the real estate in quite a few places. For instance, there were beautiful townhouses on Saville Row in London, on the Weiburgstrasse in Hamburg, and under Princeten Graachete in Amsterdam. We had two complete floors in the Rue de la Boetie in Paris and a beautiful floor on the Via Veneto in Rome.

We had three attorneys, two of them in-house. The third was a trial attorney named Mickey Rubin who worked for an outside firm. Mickey Rubin subsequently became the lawyer of Frank Sinatra and of Lucille Ball. He was 35 when he represented us in front of the Supreme Court. We established law by winning two copyright cases there: one was the Steve Valentine case which gave illegitimate children renewal rights. The other was the "Moonlight and Roses" case.